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They're not voting because...

I'm happy to see that turn out was up...

I'm happy to see that turn out was up on last time, despite the rallying call of this web site!

written 7th May 2005


dcd replies: Just goes to show that the poor education system has "kicked in" -- we've more idiots now, therefore we have more voters.

Sorry, but not-everyone can be smart enough to see through the media/political bullshit.

written 7th May 2005

MAdMaN replies: What rallying call? This website isn't saying don't vote, it's giving people disillusioned with the system a place to air their concerns.

written 8th May 2005

Tiger43 replies: To dcd.....Come on, its allways good to see a better turnout each time. I think your`e generalising with the idiots remark. People are more inteligent than politicians give us credit for.

written 10th May 2005

Al replies: dcd is just pissed off because he wanted to see his vote count, his vote being the 'non of the above vote'. He shouldn't be too pissed off though because that vote still got the biggest majority. The fact is many people do find a party that represents their views, it's good to see a decent turn out.

written 10th May 2005

dcd replies: Hey Tiger43 (Grrr etc)... now "don't take this the wrong way", but it is merely a statistical fact that some people are intellectually challenged, some people are very bright and smart, and most of us are of average intelligence. It's one of those natural laws, bell curves and standard deviations from the mean blah blah (i.e. nothing personal, completely objective observation).

We do not have a democracy in this country. Simple fact, indeed self-evidently so. No argument.

We may have a democratic input, but that's the best we can say about it.

Fair enough?

Now, the question is whether or not we SHOULD have some kind of "full blown" democracy in this country... given that we have this bell curve.

It is a given that the brightest lights would probably not vote, and so the "turn out" is entirely dependent upon the remaining two broad groups (the average thinker and the idiot -- a term, by the way, not used disparagingly, but correctly).

We can only conclude that these groups have been influenced to vote in some way -- perhaps through the habit of voting on Saturday night TV shows, or by the increase in the lottery and texting competitions.

Perhaps it is this, combined with the ever decreasing standard of education (i.e. they don't actually know what their vote is FOR, how to go about making the decision, and what happens as a result).

I therefore stand by what I said in my earlier comment.

To Al... yes, I can see that my comment could possibly be taken as an expression of my being "pissed off", however, I'm not.

I cannot in my wildest dreams imagine that enough people would understand let alone care about the poor level of public service our bizarre and ill-fitting political system offers.

I accept that most people are cannot imagine any other option -- that they think we are "stuck with it" come hell or high water.

This means that they are apathetic or consciously trying to work within the system provided in a vain attempt to make a better world.

For me, I actually do believe that everyone involved in religion and politics is trying in their own ways to make a better world, and I respect that, and admire them all for trying.

The differences lie in how they go about it, and what they consider to be "better".

I am no different in these respects; however, I believe that the systems we have had in place for centuries have served their purposes and outlived them. They should be replaced completely -- and comrehensively with something else, something tailored to the modern world, it's people and how they wish to live.

I seriously do not think we need to think up changes for changes sake or to justify jobs. I suspect that we could do very well indeed with a much smaller political system of government, and we could manage better the democratic input where and when required to create a better world for ourselves cheaply and efficiently.

Throughout history, radical change only comes about when enough people are "pissed off" at the same time.

We are so comfortable that I do not envisage my radical dreams of becoming an option.

At the end of the day, however inefficient, out-moded, expensive and irrational our systems are, things 'ain't bad enough for a revolution!

So, if most people (voters or not) are happy to throw money away on it, accept the lack of accountability, responsibility, training, quality, efficiency, effectiveness and so forth... then so be it.

I have no public forum other than my big fat mouth and the occasional internet forum to express my views, for I do not vote (remember)?

written 11th May 2005

Tiger43 replies: To dcd.......Yes I agree with your statement that in a country that is as wealthy as our own, despite general disatisfaction with people, there will be no general uprising by the people or change in the way we are governed, short of a world depresssion, as in the 30`s for example.

It would take something quite major I should think to cause the public as a whole to rise up, if thats the right way to put it. Thus causing political change of sorts.

Iv`e allways thought that a good revoltion in a countrys history every now and again is probably a good thing. Largely because the general populous are really pissed off for a particularily good reason.

We are a wealthy nation, so such a thing simply isn`t going to happen, so there will be no change to the political system that we have. I would like to see change, however not by the manner I mentioned above. People will voice there concerns etc, but if the majority are comfortable enough, thats as far as it will go. Allot of disaproval, certainly no uprising to change the system.

written 11th May 2005

james replies: Revolutions are not always sudden, bloody coups. They happen in the head first of all.

"'What I believe' is a process rather than a finality. Finalities are for gods and governments, not for the human intellect." Emma Goldman.

written 12th May 2005

dcd replies: To james: (a) yes they do (b) give me a single example (I could give you a thick history book or two filled with bloody revolution).

Sorry, but the plain and simple truth is that you are wrong, and everybody knows it.

written 14th May 2005

About Not Apathetic

NotApathetic was built so that people who are planning not to vote in the UK General Election on May 5th can tell the world why. We won't try to persuade you that voting is a good or a bad idea - we're just here to record and share your explanations. Whether ideological, practical or other, any reason will do.

A lot of users would like us to mention that if you spoil your ballot paper, it will be counted. So if you want to record a vote for "none of the above", you can.