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I only vote when I can vote for the British National party, since they are not in my area I cant do that. The other parties are full of people who only care about there own carrier/pension and how many voters they can import in the form of imigrants. BRITAIN FOR THE BRITISH

written 28th Apr 2005

Responses

Helen replies: What's a "carrier"? Oh I see, you mean a "career"... And perhaps when you write "imigrants" you actually mean "immigrants"? If you're so proud to be British, why not start by getting some English lessons?

written 28th Apr 2005

BarryS replies: Helen can't stand the truth so she has to resort to purile insults. Typical leftie really!.

What about the Dear Leader Kim Il Sung sorry I meant Tony BLIAR? At least the BNP don't start wars on LIES like the FASCIST in No.10 at the moment!

written 29th Apr 2005

Helen replies: Interesting that Barry S feels that a passion for grammatical English is an indication of left-wing tendencies. I wd hv thort it woz sth every1 "British" wd aspir2. ;-)

written 29th Apr 2005

BNP replies: Helen, you attck the grammer but not the content, so one can only think you agree with the content. So I take it you will be voting BNP.

written 29th Apr 2005

WM replies: That response from Helen is infantile and lacking in substance, wholly rude and generally crass...

Last post from me on these boards, I think. I find it highly distressing that people find it impossible to maintain even a modicum of respect for others, inspite of their disagreement, for their equally valid views. Maybe thats just politics for you.

As sad reflection on the state of this country and the world....
I'm not BNP, not even close but I try to remain civil and use founded, balanced arguements to discuss these most important issues. Its easy to remain civil amongst peers, but quality shows from remaining civil when opposed.

Millions have died for us to have these democratic rights and discussions without fear. Its a disgrace how flippant some commentators are across all these threads.

You have every right to disagree, but no right to insult. I leave the rest of these discussions up to you..

written 29th Apr 2005

Al replies:
The BNP aren't a serious party, it's pointless going into the rights and wrongs of their policies or the views of it supporters because they're just never going to get in.

I've wasted too much of my time trying to reason with BNP suporters. It's like talking to a brick wall... although I'm being a little harsh on the intellegence of brick walls.

written 29th Apr 2005

. replies: I am in total agreement with the post from WM.... but I would suggest that AL is quite wrong in saying that this party is not serious, it appears that they are and becoming more serious as time goes on. they are in fact the main alternative to the con/lab/lib establishment con.I'm afraid that people deserve a voice, whether you like it or not and if the main establishment parties cant/wont speak up for a large section of society then others will.
as for "reasoning with their supporters"......it sounds as if your the one who isn't listening...their view is just as valid as yours. brick walls and intelligence.... well maybe we should be looking at the masses that still buy into the political system we have at the moment.

written 29th Apr 2005

Al replies: In response I'll repeat my comments from a previous post....

To put it simply the BNP are racist, Nazi supporting thugs and criminals.

I haven't time to list all of the criminals who are part of the BNP but I'll name some keys ones. Bear in mind that this is a relatively small party!

Nick Griffin (Party Chairman)- Convicted for inciting racial hate (amonst many many many other convictions - not nessisarily race related). He also denied the holocaust happened, f*cking idiot.

John Tyndall (inventor of the BNP)- Has a list of convictions as long as your arm including setting up a paramilitary organisation - because they're always good for britain aren't they? He was also inprisoned for incitment to racial hatred.

Warren Bennett (chief steward)- Convicted for football hooliganism.

So, these people are going to help REDUCE crime ? They aren't doing a very good job at the moment.

written 29th Apr 2005

. replies: your view is respected but far too simplistic....it is easy to use labels and generalisations...do you not see that if a large part of society especially in the light of all of the negative propaganda put out by the establishment are still being drawn to this party then the problem IS with the establishment. the people who vote for them aren't all goose stepping monsters as you imply, but normal people with a viewpoint that should be heard. as for criminals......sending British soldiers to their deaths under false pretences to further hidden political agendas,is, I am sure you will agree a far worse crime than being a football hooligan.

written 29th Apr 2005

Al replies:
I've seen posts from very reasonable people that are also BNP supporters. They have valid points to make and understandable concerns and they see the BNP as the party that's going to address those concerns.

The trouble is that the BNP is pandering to these type of votes, that's all people like Nick Griffin do. They have a public opinion which they try to match up to their target voter and then they have the core values of the party which are something competley different and somewhat disturbing.

Basically they're doing exactly what Labour and the Conservatives do.

written 29th Apr 2005

Pete replies: Its always interesting to read some of the comments of so-called BNP supporters, more so when their comments dont agree with what the BNP actually believes in or what its leaders actually have said.

The quote of: sending British soldiers to their deaths under false pretences to further hidden political agendas.

In fact the BNP was fully supportive towards the invasion of Iraq. What they were against was Tony Blair trying to gain political capital out of it, in much the same way as Margaret Thatcher was accused of milking the Falklands War in order to gain re-election.

And just so that the opening poster is aware, Britain for the British is NOT a BNP belief and never has been.

The BNP believes in the assisted repatriation of all non-whites, regardless of Nationality.

Perhaps the original poster is confusing the BNP with the National Front, which held similar views to the BNP, but which actually did base many of its policies along British Only lines. FYI, that was one of the fundamental differences between the two parties.

Therefore BRITAIN for the WHITE people only is perhaps a better description to use as white Germans, French, Dutch, South Africans, etc and anyone else who doesn't have any history (over the last 2 generations)of black or Asiatic genes in their family would be allowed to stay in the UK.

written 29th Apr 2005

tiger43 replies: To poster.......What makes you so sure the BNP are intersted in you any more than any other party? Because they say so? Their no different, their just playing on your fears.

written 29th Apr 2005

BNP replies: AL likes to bring up those 3 criminal convictions of the BNP but fails to mention the criminal convictios of the other parties.

Conservative Party Criminals

SEX

. Tory Party General election candidate, Michael Powell - Convicted and jailed for 3 years for downloading hardcore child porn.

. Tory Party Councillor (Wickbar/Bristol) Roger Talboys - Convicted and jailed for 6 years for multiple sex attacks on children.

. Tory Party Vice-Chairman of Welsh Conservatives, Andrew Baker - Received a banning order for stalking women.

. Tory Party MP (Billericay) Harvey Proctor - Stood trial for sex offences of a sado-masochistic nature against teenage boys, and was forced to resign.

. Tory Party Councillor ( Stratford-upon-Avon ) Christopher Pilkington - Convicted of downloading hardcore child porn on his PC. Placed on sex offenders register and forced to resign.

. Tory Party councillor ( Coventry ), Peter Stidworthy - Charged with indecent assault of a 15-year old boy.

. Tory Party Mayor ( North Tyneside ), Chris Morgan - Forced to resign after being arrested twice in 2 weeks, for indecent assault on a 15-year old girl, and for suspicion of downloading child porn.

. Tory Party MEP, Tom Spencer - Caught smuggling drugs and porn through customs.

. Tory Party councillor and former Mayor (Wrexham), Michael Morris - Convicted and put on probation for 2 years, for the indecent assault of another man, which was captured on CCTV.

. Tory Party Liaison Manager on the London Assembly, Douglas Campbell, who's job includes running the Tory GLA website - Arrested for allegedly downloading child porn. He is currently suspended while the Police investigation continues.

VIOLENCE

. Tory Party MP (Henley), Boris Johnson - Caught on tape plotting to have a man beaten up by a hired thug. The man was a journalist who had written an unsympathetic piece about Johnson's close friend - Convicted fraudster, Darius Guppy.

. Tory Party Councillor (Folkestone - in Leader, Michael Howard's constituency), Robert Richdale - 41 year history of crime, involving 30 convictions and 5 prison sentences. Richdales enormous criminal record, which covers 10 pages of A4 paper, includes convictions for assault, theft, causing death by dangerous driving, forgery, drugs offences, possession of an offensive weapon, and sex attacks against underage schoolgirls. The Tory Party election campaign literature described Richdale as "a family man" who had a "compassionate personality"

CORRUPTION

. Tory Party councillor (Dudley), Abdul Quadus, who was also chairman of the Dudley Police Committee and a Tory Party spokesman on crime - Convicted and jailed for 6 months for passport fraud and assisting illegal immigration from his native country - Pakistan.

. Former Tory Party Cabinet Minister, Jonathan Aitkin - Convicted and jailed for Perjury and Conspiracy to Pervert the Course of Justice.

. Former Tory Leader of Westminster Council, Dame Shirley Porter - Fled to Israel to evade justice after indulging in fraud, corruption and gerrymandering on a massive scale, and stealing millions of pounds from local taxpayers.

. Tory Party Councillor ( Margate ), Colin Kiddel - Forced to resign after Police investigation into his alleged theft and embezzlement of funds from the local `Dreamland` Amusement Park.

. Former Tory Party Chairman and London Mayoral Candidate, Jeffrey Archer - Convicted and jailed for Perjury and Conspiracy to Pervert the Course of Justice.

Labour Party Criminals

SEX:

. Labour Councillor (Newton Aycliffe) Martin Locklyn - Convicted and jailed for 15 years for sexually abusing 3 14-year-old boys.

. Labour Councillor (North Lincolnshire) David Spooner - Convicted and jailed for 1 year for masturbating in front of 2 young boys.

. Labour Mayor (Westhoughton/Lancashire) Nicholas Green - Convicted and jailed for 10 years for 3 rapes and 13 counts of indecent assault against little girls between the age of 6 and 10. He raped one woman on her wedding day.

. Labour Mayor (Todmordon) John Winstanley - Convicted and jailed for rape and threats to kill. After raping and threatening to kill his terrified victim, Winstanley then ordered the woman to go on all fours before urinating on her.

. Prominent Labour Party activist Mark Tann (who has met Tony & Cherie at Party functions) recently got a 15-year sentence for raping a 4-year old girl on 2 separate occasions.

. Labour's current Parliamentary Candidate (Reading East) Tony Page - Has 2 Convictions for Acts of Gross Indecency` in public toilets.

. Labour Mayor (Burnley) Mark Swainston - Convicted of sex offences in public toilet.

. Entire Labour Party conspired to conceal the activities of Labour Party activist and serial child-molester Mark Trotter, who died from AIDS before he could be convicted.

. Labour Councillor (North Yorkshire) Raymond Coats - Court appearance for indecently assaulting a woman.

. Labour MP (Rhonda Valley) Chris Bryant poses in his pants on the Internet to advertise himself for casual gay sex encounters. Describes himself as "Horny as buggery" and says, "I'd love a good long fuck".

. Labour Councillor (Manchester), George Harding - Charged with indecent assault on a girl of 12.

. Labour MP Ron Davies was mugged by a Rasta on Clapham Common while cruising for gay sex. He was photographed again by the media recently, engaged in some `man-on-man` action in a field off a motorway. "I was only looking for badgers" he said.

. Labour Councillor (Durham), Derrick Payne - Arrested by Police following a sex attack.

. Labour MP, Joe Ashton - Caught up in a Police raid while frequenting a brothel. Tried to lie his way out of the scandal.

. Labour Councillor (Shropshire), Derek Woodvine - Arrested by Police in anti-porn operation.

. Labour Councillor (Basildon), Tony Wright - Forced to resign after being caught using his council computer to download porn.

. Labour MP (Sheffield), Clive Betts - Suspended from Parliament for 7 days after being caught forging immigration papers to extend the stay of his Brazilian rent-boy gay lover.

. According to media reports, the names of 2 former Labour Cabinet Ministers said to be `Household names` appear on the `Operation Ore ` list of subscribers to hard-core child pornography. The same FBI investigation, which led to the arrest of rock star Pete Townshend. So who are they Mr Blair?

VIOLENCE

. Labour Councillor (Kirkby, Merseyside) Charlie Preston - Convicted and jailed for 5 years in 1982 for assault and burglary. Preston broke into the home of a 64 year old man, and beat him up in his bed as he slept before robbing the house. The judge described the case as "As bad a matter of burglary as I can remember" Preston also holds the position on the Council of... `Deputy Cabinet Member for Youth, Citizenship, and Community Safety`.

. Labour Councillor ( Wales ) Denis Jones - Convicted and jailed for unlawful wounding after attacking a neighbour with a sledgehammer.

. Labour Councillor ( Wales ) Ken Brookman - Bit off a mans ear in a dispute over a seat on a train!

. Labour Councillor and former Mayor (Stockton), Keith Dobinson - Investigated by Police for alleged assault on an OAP, which left the old man of 79, hospitalised.

. Labour MP, Tommy Graham - Expelled from Party for his part in driving a person to suicide.

. Labour Councillors (Ilfracombe), Brian Cotton and Tony Cooper - Investigated by Police following serious allegations of Harassment.

CORRUPTION

. Labour Councillor (Sandwell) Mohamed Niwaz convicted of illegally obtaining 20,000 in Housing Grants.

. Labour Councillors in Doncaster - 23 Convicted and 2 jailed for massive fraud, corruption and theft of public funds. Investigation also uncovered massive Labour Party corruption in neighbouring Rotherham .

. Labour Party Councillor ( Blackburn ), Mohammed Hussein - arrested together with 6 Labour activists on suspicion of Election rigging.

. Labour MP Mohammed Sawar ( Britain 's first Asian MP - Glasgow) was the subject of a major News of the World investigation a few years ago into bribery and corruption. Despite this, the massive Asian population in his constituency keeps him safely in his seat.

. Labour MP (Leicester) and former Cabinet Minister, Keith Vaz - Investigated for fraud and corruption before quietly leaving his Europe Minister post with `health problems`. According to his former Secretary, Vaz does absolutely nothing in his constituency other than help local Pakistanis with their Immigration cases (which also helps to explain the `whites a minority` status of Leicester and the safe Labour seat of Mr Vaz)

. Labour Party Euro MP, David Martin is currently being investigated for an alleged expenses fraud involving `hundreds of thousands of pounds`.

. Labour Councillor (Glamorgan), Shawn Stringer - Forced to resign following Police investigation into financial corruption.

OTHER

. Tony Blair recently appointed his close friend/crony and colleague of his wife - Ken Macdonald as the new Director of Public Prosecutions, despite the fact he has a drugs conviction.

. William Straw - Son of Labour Foreign Secretary, and former Home Secretary - Jack Straw, was cautioned by Police for drug dealing, amid a frantic Government attempt to cover up the matter and gag the media as to his identity. Jack Straw also has a brother who was convicted of a sex attack on a schoolgirl. Lovely family!

. Homosexual mass murderer; Dennis Nielsen, who strangled and dismembered 16 young men in the 1980`s, was also a highly active member of Labour fringe groups such as the Anti-Nazi League, and the SWP. That's when he wasn't busy boiling peoples heads in a pot, or masturbating over the corpses of his victims.

Liberal Democrat Criminals

SEX

. Lib-Dem Council candidate (Tower Hamlets), Justin Sillman - Convicted and jailed for 2 years for sexual abuse of young boys.

. Lib-Dem Councillor and Mayoral Candidate ( Sheffield ), Francis Butler- Prosecuted for indecent assault of a young boy.

. Lib-Dem Councillor ( Stockport ) Neil Derbyshire - Sexually assaulted a 16-year old boy in a public toilet. He was caught with a plastic bag containing lubricant, plastic surgical gloves, a condom, and underpants.

. Lib-Dem Councillor ( Preston ), Bill Chadwick - Charged with: Making an indecent photograph of a child, Incitement to rape, Incitement to murder, Incitement to kidnap, and Incitement to torture. Chadwick's gay lover - Alan Valentine, is also a Lib-Dem councillor.

VIOLENCE

. Lib-Dem councillor (North Norfolk), Catherine Wilkins - Also a nurse until she was struck off the nursing register after being found guilty of mistreating patients and abusive behaviour.

. Lib-Dem Parliamentary candidate ( Burnley ), Paul Wright - Charged with drunken assault on his `lodger`. Wright sobbed like a baby during the court case, and the case is to be re-listed and heard again after the jury failed to reach a verdict.

. Lib-Dem Councillor ( Sheffield ) Trevor Morgan - Convicted and jailed for 9 months for unlawful wounding/dangerous driving. After attacking an elderly woman's Golden retriever dog by throwing pepper in its face, he then seriously injured the dog's owner - 57-year old Barbara Johnson, with his car as she tried to stop him escaping.

CORRUPTION

. Lib-Dem Councillor (Peterborough), Michael Jackson - Prosecuted for 21 counts of Theft and False Accounting.

. 3 Lib-Dem Councillors convicted and jailed for Election Fraud in Hackney in 2001

. 12 Lib-Dem officials convicted of Election Fraud in Oldham in 2001.

. Julie Roberts - Convicted of 9 counts of benefit fraud in 2003. 2 weeks after the court case, she was elected as a Lib-Dem councillor in Leicester !

. Lib-Dem councillor (Portsmouth), Ray Race - Convicted and jailed for 4 months for election rigging, along with Lib-Dem colleague Michael Hayward. Race was arrested again in July 2003 for threatening a witness who helped to convict him.

. Lib-Dem councillor (Lambeth), Gabriel Fernandez - Forced to resign after being investigated for benefit fraud.

written 29th Apr 2005

Bertie Bassett replies: Guys,

Let's face reality - you either need to be mentally retarded or else a right chicken-spanker to want to vote for the BNP.

Know wot I mean 'arry !!!

written 30th Apr 2005

rhia replies: I don't like the three main parties, but I'll say this for them, at least their leaders haven't been leading members of the National Front, unlike Nick Griffin.

Strangely enough, Nick Griffin was also the editor of the BNP magazine "Spearhead". Before Nick Griffin took over the party it was run by a different rascist, who in 1962 was convicted of trying to set up a nazi paramilitary group called.. ...wait for it ..."Spearhead."

I don't like the three main parties, but I like the BNP even less. Stop trying to make them look as "white" as the driven snow, because they aren't. Pun indended.

written 30th Apr 2005

jax replies: There is corruption everywhere you look within most political parties - the difference is that in MOST cases (im not as green as i am cabbage looking) these people are forced to resign. Are the racist fascist pigs of the BNP forced to resign for their crimes? No - the fact that they have these convictions just makes them more appealing to the party and its supporters. I am a white woman born in England, but I have some genes splooshing around somewhere from my Grandparents who were Romanian - I presume that this means I am not welcome in this country? Absolute power corrupts.......who the hell are you (BNP supporters and party) to tell me I am not British? Get over yoursleves, your racist fascisism makes me, and many many other people, sick to the gut. You do not deserve a voice when that voice is used to incite hatred.

written 30th Apr 2005

rhia replies: Very angrily, but well said!

Personally, my family moved here from northern Europe with the Angles before the Romans got here.

Hold on, maybe it was with the french in 1066. I know it was one or the other. But I guess I must be welcome here because our German-blooded royal family is so very British, and they didn't get her for a long time after that.

written 30th Apr 2005

rhia replies: Very angrily, but well said!

Personally, my family moved here from northern Europe with the Angles before the Romans got here.

Hold on, maybe it was with the french in 1066. I know it was one or the other. But I guess I must be welcome here because our German-blooded royal family is so very British, and they didn't get her for a long time after that.

written 30th Apr 2005

Tim replies: Actuaaly, since BNP does not have much support at the grass root level that all they can do is start lousy post one after another. At the last count there were 23 - I would not vote because of no BNP here - kind of posts. As soon as they lose argument at one post, they start another. if there is no BNP candidate in your area, it means they have no support and if one of them was to stand, would have lost even his deposit. Tough but that's what it is at ground. Perhaps we should now just ignore their post, as responding to it - no matter how logically - is just encouraging them for more posts.

written 30th Apr 2005

Pete replies: Well said Tim, but unfortunately they are like an annoying fly buzzing around your head.

You keep on trying to swat the little blighter.

written 30th Apr 2005

tiger43 replies: To BNP............Face it, the BNP have exactly the same reasons as all the other parties for doing what they do. Getting your votes, so they can get some power for their own personal ends. Sure, by all means vote BNP, but just remember, it will be for their interests, not yours.

written 30th Apr 2005

Anonymous replies: Just a suggestion, but if all the BNP voters were to move to some small, insignificant constituency they might be able to muster enough support to actually get one of their own neanderthals elected.

Mind you, most of them would probably still end up spoiling their ballot papers anyway.

written 30th Apr 2005

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