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Tell the world why you're not voting - don't let your silence go unheard

They're not voting because...

...there is no BNP candidate in my constituency...

...there is no BNP candidate in my constituency. Immigration and multi-culturalism/racialism are rotting Britain from within and the tories, veritas and UKIP will do nothing to put matters right. Remember the Cons 1979 "We are being swamped" speech? Well I won't be fooled again by the tories, we need a government that puts the rights and welfare of the British people first and foremost. I'll just wait for the BNP to contest my seat.

written 28th Apr 2005

Responses

Jim replies: Hmm.. Are U think what we're thinking.. U racist pig!

written 28th Apr 2005

Abdullah Moore replies: Jim: please don't be abusive. he is entitled to his views, no matter how wrong. Vast majority of decent british people don't agree with him anyway with regard to BNP or even Tories or any one using immigration card in racist way.

written 28th Apr 2005

A.S. replies: Jim - If you have some constructive criticism then let's here it rather than your written abuse, preferably correctly spelt this time.

Who is this "we" you mention? Do you claim to represent all the people of Britain or just this board?

written 28th Apr 2005

Peter replies: A.S. - 'let's here it rather than your written abuse, preferably correctly spelt this time.'

Was that deliberate? Either way, it made me giggle, so thanks.

written 28th Apr 2005

Al replies:
I'll try some constructive criticism, although last time I constructively criticised the BNP the whole post and all of the replies where removed, presumably a BNP supporter exercise their right to free speech and wrote what he/she thought about 'foreigners'/black people/Asians.

Anyway...

The BNP as an institution is full of racists.

Their stand on immigration is "lets not have any".

Their stand on employment is to give the best jobs to 'proper British people'. What they mean by 'proper British people' is white people, if your blonde with blue eyes your fine, despite originating from Scandinavia.

Clearly this is not only a racist policy but also a totally bizarre policy, voting BNP is essentially like voting for the NAZI party.

Of course I respect their right to free speech but would like to exercise mine by saying that in my opinion their all wankers.

written 28th Apr 2005

A.S. replies: Peter- Well spotted, I was referring to the childish use of "U" in place of you, not genuine typos. We don't need to save space for characters like in a text message here.

written 28th Apr 2005

HD replies: Sorry for the long post but I am frightened by what I read here. What is this obsession with immigration levels & supposed problem with a multicultural society? I was born here, in West London, but my parents emigrated here back in the 1960's to work in the hospitals and do all the jobs no one else wanted to do. (Similar to now I imagine) They worked hard, started their own business, contributed to the economy, have NEVER claimed benefits in more than 40 years of their life here. Are people truly saying they don't want people who work hard like this to come to this country and to try to make something from nothing?
Where does that leave me? Am I English or am I 2nd generation immigrant? Are the BNP & like minded parties talking about my parents? Are they talking about me? Should I go? Where to? I was born right here and have a rich cultural upbringing which is a mixture of my parents' culture, English culture and the culture of all my friends and their various nationalities - how can that possibly be wrong? What have I lost because of this? People come here because they see it as a country of opportunity like America - I don't think this is wrong and believe anyone willing to risk their life to try to get here ought to be given a chance to earn their stay. It's a big deal - where would you risk your life to live a different life - can you even imagine the desperation in order to do that? And would people really do that to live on a measly 30 or whatever it is a week off our DSS? I am proud of Britain, I am proud of England and hope the next government takes us forwards to be leaders in areas of all fields - medical, educational, transport, environmental and cultural. I love living here and I think it's the best place in the world.

written 28th Apr 2005

A.S. replies: Al- "The BNP as an institution is full of racists."

What's your definition of a racist?

"Their stand on immigration is "lets not have any"."

This is a small island with finite space and already SE England is more densely populated than Holland or India. More people means overcrowding, urban expansion, traffic congestion and a lot more pollution. If this sounds good to you then don't vote BNP, just opt for a party with an open borders policy and we'll keep packing them in 50 to a house until there's no greenery left and the air turns black.

"Their stand on employment is to give the best jobs to 'proper British people'. What they mean by 'proper British people' is white people, if your blonde with blue eyes your fine, despite originating from Scandinavia."

Could you provide a link to prove the BNP's policy on only employing 'proper British people'? I seem to have missed that one.

Actually this is their stand on employment, it's in their manifesto if you've bothered to read it-

[We would abolish all targets and quotas for ethnic representation in all areas of
employment, public and private.

We would abolish all laws against racial discrimination in employment and the
government bodies associated with enforcing them.]

Perhaps you favour anti-white discriminatory policies where employment is gained not on merit but on race? As for the blue eyed blonde haired thing, you're just making it up aren't you Al?

"Clearly this is not only a racist policy but also a totally bizarre policy, voting BNP is essentially like voting for the NAZI party."

Clearly you're just coming to a conclusion about something you've just made up yourself and thrown in the word Nazi for dramatic effect.

Why don't you download and read the BNP's manifesto and then we can discuss it.
http://www.bnp.org.uk/candidates2005/manifesto/manifesto2005.pdf

written 28th Apr 2005

Gavin replies: Immigration is a problem because immigrants are far too likely to humble, hard-working individuals who have gone to some lengths to better themselves (if only going to the effort to come here). This makes your average lazy Brit look bad.

There are limits on space - the country feels pretty full to me, but most legal immigrants are a big plus for the country. We do need controls - it's only fair on immigrants; if there really aren't enough jobs going, you can't let people in with the promise of work. But the idea that we're being swamped is ridiculous.

It would be good if integration was more universal, it seems a shame to come here and not be "British". That has nothing to do with skin colour, though, of course.

The BNP do have a few ideas that are not completely stupid - but the very obvious racist undercurrents are disgusting.

The Tory party have a completely different stance; there is nothing wrong with discussing this - it is an important issue. Whether it is as big a deal as some politicians are making out or not, people are concerned about it so it is worth discussing.

written 28th Apr 2005

A.S. replies: HD- The BNP plan to implement a system of VOLUNTARY repatriation for some legal immigrants currently residing in Britain. The package includes a financial incentive in the order of tens of thousands of pounds and a free flight. This would be very attractive to many people but ultimately if someone is a legal resident of the UK they will not be removed by force so don't worry.

written 28th Apr 2005

Gavin replies: Did you not see that documentary on the BNP, then, AS? The one where the founder (I believe) criticises Michael Howard because "He's a Jew!"?

All the parties cover up their real agendas with spin. So the BNP have cobbled together a non-racist manifesto - big deal. It doesn't tell the whole story.

written 28th Apr 2005

Gavin replies: "We having nothing against immigrants, but we will pay you to leave."

That's nice, really nice.

written 28th Apr 2005

. replies: this all highlights the dreadful long term mess our establishment politicians have caused and continue to cause in our country which will never be a cohesive society again......but then maybe that was the plan all along!

written 28th Apr 2005

Al replies: Yes I have read it.

http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies/policies.htm#immigration

See the section called "ECONOMY - British workers first!"

The public message they put out (including on this web site) is of course a toned down version of what you'll hear them say in places where their opinion is a safe one.

My definition of a racist is a person that might say for example "I'm not a racist but their's alot of those bloody packies round here isn't there? You can't move for them!".

If your not a racist it's not an issue that theirs lots of "Pakies" in your area and neither would you refer to them in a disrespectful way such as to call them a Pakie.

Another definition is someone that dislikes a person on the basis of colour.

It's ok to dislike people on the basis of their opinions though, and that why it's fine for me to dislike you or indeed to consider you to be a wanker. This is acceptable as it's based on my judgement of your views without knowing the colour of your skin and on the basis of the plain fact that you ARE a wanker.

Am I allowed to say wanker?...

I retract my wanker statement.

written 28th Apr 2005

A.S. replies: Gavin - "Immigration is a problem because immigrants are far too likely to humble, hard-working individuals who have gone to some lengths to better themselves (if only going to the effort to come here). This makes your average lazy Brit look bad."

Immigration is a problem because immigrants are far too likely to not find work and end up taking advantage of Britain's welfare state, free schooling, healthcare and housing. Most immigrants to these shores come from very alien countries and cultures and do not adjust well to life in Britain, choosing instead to form ghettos in which cultural assimilation or even just learning English is easily avoidable. Many bring with them the problems they were fleeing in their homeland, through religious beliefs and acquired cultural values incompatible with those in the West.

Britain did very well for centuries without the need to bring in utterly alien peoples from across the globe with whom we have so little in common.

written 28th Apr 2005

A.S. replies: Mr Moore, HD, Gavin-

Thank you for discussing these matters with me in a reasonably civil manner. After the written abuse I have now suffered from both Jim and especially Al I have decided to not post in this forum. If anyone is interested in further discussing these issues please go to-

http://www.
stormfront.org/forum/ind...referrerid=45010

You don't have to register to post, please start a new thread with the title "notapethetic" and we can have more advanced bulletin software and proper moderation where troublemakers like Al will be booted off.

People like Al are the reason why public debate about immigration and such does not exist, why the militant fascist left assault peaceful protesters and campaign for legitimate political parties to be unlawfully silenced. He represents the beginning of the end for democracy and free speech in our country.

written 28th Apr 2005

raymond replies: A.S.: Yes immigration may be a percieved problem and there is nothing wrong about discussing it. But it needs to be discussed in an honest way. What do you think is the percentage of immigrants on unemployement benefits? 23 out of 150,000 who came in last year. Would you say that about your party members? Let us face it: no body in their right mind would come to country where anti-immigrant feeling is so high for just 30 or 40 pounds a weeks. That is an absolute poverty level. They want to become rich and not poor. They want to give better education to their children - not involved them in drugs/alchohol/gangs.

Yes: space is limited - so immigration needs to be controlled. Controlled not by colour of skin or religion but by the need of the country. BNP will force to shut all the NHS hospitals - over 50% NHS staff is immigrant. NHS is not actively recruiting outside UK, speially India. Why? or you don't want to know.

London buses have more immigrant drivers now than ever. Why? Where are those proper Brits? Perhaps on dole, having lager all day and talking about immigration and race riots.

Believe me, if you think honestly - you will start to why immigrants are here in the first place. Because we need them.

written 28th Apr 2005

raymond replies: A.S. You may already have noticed typo errors in my above post. Please read 'now' instead of 'not' in the sentence about NHS recruitment.

Also word 'see' was missing - 'you will start to see why immigrants are here'

sorry about that

written 28th Apr 2005

Al replies:
Or on the other hand, I pointed out the fact that AS is a racist and demonstrated by way of referencing his own parties literature that the BNP's view are racist and, seeing that he had no response to these plain facts, he simply leave the debate.

Yes I got carried away and unnessisarily abusive, but this isn't an issue I take lightly.

This country has moved on from your kind of bigotry, you hold a minority view, when you take this minority view into a forum full of average people expect a fierce reaction from some quarters... otherwise your quite right to take it back to the saftey of your own forum where it becomes a safe opinion.

written 28th Apr 2005

sane guy replies: shame we can't have an
"Anti chav party"

written 28th Apr 2005

Al replies: That'd get my vote.

written 28th Apr 2005

Tom replies: Honestly i'm not am a very political person but the fact is, everybody is entitled to their own views, some of you may believe that BNP are left wing and some of you may believe otherwise. I believe that there should be tighter laws on immigration. However this is only to stop people coming into the country who bring nothing with them (i.e. qualifications) My opinion is that anybody who has a good reason to come to the country should be allowed in, a good reason though is not, a better quality of life, people can find that in any other country. Why does Britain have to rehouse people from the rest of the world. I do not believe in judging people by the colour of their skin simply because some of my closest friends are black and asian. Everybody should be entitled to their own views, but clearly Al is trying to label the BNP as racist when in fact it is labeling people that he is so against.

written 28th Apr 2005

Al replies: You're clearly not a very political person if you think that anybody could see the BNP as left wing.

Do you know what is meant by left wing? do you have foggiest clue what your talking about?

Poor Tom, a little confused I think. It's common knowlege that the BNP is supported mostly by racists and many of it's candidates hold racist views. MANY not nessisarily ALL but enough to effect the parties policy and to steer it in the wrong direction.

written 28th Apr 2005

WM replies: BNP may arouse fear, with under-currents of racism. We don't have to look too far back in our history for the consequences of apathy.

Either way though, what is wrong with putting the rights of Britains before EVERYBODY else. Legal immigrants fine e.g immigrants plugging the emplyment gaps in the health service etc (which we should really ask why this should happen; another matter). Its about balancing contributions and perceived returns.

If immigrants work and contribute, I have no problem with them receiving benefits (which I don't think they are entitled to ). Its about a perception of value for money. It sickens me to support British lazy arses, and it sickens me more to pay for the housing and administration of bogus Asylum seekers when I think they should not be our problem.

My priorities are "my family", "my siblings families", "my friends and their families", "prosperity of local region", "prosperity of nation". Outside of these groups and this nations borders I don't wanty a single penny of my tax used.

That is not racists.It may be selfish, but if I dont put the things which matter to me first, why should I expect anyone else to ?

written 28th Apr 2005

John replies: We are hearing the same of criticisms of the BNP, time and time again. The media is hysterical in its treatment of the BNP and so are most people who read and listen to the garbage which they are force-fed. Multiculturalism is not an ideal solution for any of us, but we usually manage with what we have got, and when we do not the consequences are sometimes tragic. Why is it racist to acknowledge this? Immigration mainly benefits the globalists and this is why the globalists are so anti-BNP. Britain is actually full. There is no more room and we need the BNP to save our country and hopefully create a resurgence in nationalism worldwide.

The old imperialism was colonialism, and the new imperialism is globalism and antinationalism. Why are nations not allowed to have the right to national self-determination? Why shouldn't nations define themselves on grounds of shared ethnicity? It is normal natural and has been a part of human nature since time immemorial.

written 28th Apr 2005

Al replies: Don't oppose the above too posts general idea that we should look after ourselves before anyone else but their is no media conspiracy against the BNP, the majority of the media (excluding the tabloids - I don't consider these 'news' paper anyway) are just doing their job and reporting the facts as they see them.

I would accept that many people in the BNP have the same reasonable, understandable views as yourselves but the fact is that their is a racist element that drives the party.

Although I accept and understand your views, I don't agree with your aproach to dealing with the issue. We need to restrict the number of people coming into the country, the country isn't 'full'.

written 28th Apr 2005

WM replies: I read all 54 pages of the BNP manifesto. Some bits made me nod in agreement (crime, back-to-basics education, preservation of language/customs and identity) other bits frigthened me (repatriation of immigrants). There is something in the shadows that doesn't sit right with me concerning the BNP, so no vote from me...

Don't mistake this for someone whole doesn't firmly believes in a British identity and a more self-centered approach to policy.
Probably UKIP will be getting my cross. A protest vote, yes, but the" big three" seem to live in a different world to myself, too scared to upset the apple-cart or risk being too different

It is sickeningly obvious that this whole campaign has been focused on the minority of marginal votes. A blinkered, lightweight campaign with nothing original or thought-provoking. Sometimes democracy sucks......

written 28th Apr 2005

jerry replies: Anyone who's actually witnessed the Foreign and Home Offices processing transparently genuine applications for visas, FLR, ILR and naturalisation, wouldn't say that there's anything easy about migrating to UK.

The Budd report described ridiculously inefficient systems at IND, that inconvenience bona fide applicants, while less desirable characters sneak through in a tangle of red tape. Let's sort this mess out before we start issuing machine guns to border guards.

written 28th Apr 2005

raymond replies: I feel that a broad consensus is emerging that immigration should be based on the needs of the country. If we need health workers/bus drivers/IT specialist, then thats what our immigration policy should get us.

Secondly, as a civilized country, we have obligation to GENUINE Refugees; but also rest of the world should do its part. I agree that we cannot re-house rest of the world here.

Thirdly, with respect to refugees, i tend to agree with the Australian model. Those claiming asylum should be detained until their genuineness is proven. If genuine, welcome them. if not, thank you - they go back.

Forth, any body with open mind could see what BNP is. BBC investigation recently resulted in criminal charges against its leaders and members. Please don't insult our intelligence and test our memories. Go on the street anywhere in Yorkshire, ask any true blood Brit and they will tell you exactly what BNP is. For Pete's sake, media is not after them. It's BNP which needs to understand present day world and its morals. Otherwise, we should not have bothered about Iraq.

written 28th Apr 2005

Barry replies: Raymond you need to understand that the so-called 'expose' of the BNP done by the Blatant Bias Corporation was a set-up from start to finish. The fact is that so-called documentary used Left-wing agent provocateurs and agents from the Marxist and anti-British Searchlight organisation run by the convicted burglar and former Communist Party candidate Gerry Gable. In short, it was a pack of lies and the typical Left-wing bias the pathetic BBC produces!

written 29th Apr 2005

BNP replies: raymond, no BNP memeber has been found guilty following the BBC documentary, you should also not that 3 memebers were removed from the party. We have had some criminal convictions thats true, here are some other criminal convictions to look at.

Conservative Party Criminals

SEX

. Tory Party General election candidate, Michael Powell - Convicted and jailed for 3 years for downloading hardcore child porn.

. Tory Party Councillor (Wickbar/Bristol) Roger Talboys - Convicted and jailed for 6 years for multiple sex attacks on children.

. Tory Party Vice-Chairman of Welsh Conservatives, Andrew Baker - Received a banning order for stalking women.

. Tory Party MP (Billericay) Harvey Proctor - Stood trial for sex offences of a sado-masochistic nature against teenage boys, and was forced to resign.

. Tory Party Councillor ( Stratford-upon-Avon ) Christopher Pilkington - Convicted of downloading hardcore child porn on his PC. Placed on sex offenders register and forced to resign.

. Tory Party councillor ( Coventry ), Peter Stidworthy - Charged with indecent assault of a 15-year old boy.

. Tory Party Mayor ( North Tyneside ), Chris Morgan - Forced to resign after being arrested twice in 2 weeks, for indecent assault on a 15-year old girl, and for suspicion of downloading child porn.

. Tory Party MEP, Tom Spencer - Caught smuggling drugs and porn through customs.

. Tory Party councillor and former Mayor (Wrexham), Michael Morris - Convicted and put on probation for 2 years, for the indecent assault of another man, which was captured on CCTV.

. Tory Party Liaison Manager on the London Assembly, Douglas Campbell, who's job includes running the Tory GLA website - Arrested for allegedly downloading child porn. He is currently suspended while the Police investigation continues.

VIOLENCE

. Tory Party MP (Henley), Boris Johnson - Caught on tape plotting to have a man beaten up by a hired thug. The man was a journalist who had written an unsympathetic piece about Johnson's close friend - Convicted fraudster, Darius Guppy.

. Tory Party Councillor (Folkestone - in Leader, Michael Howard's constituency), Robert Richdale - 41 year history of crime, involving 30 convictions and 5 prison sentences. Richdales enormous criminal record, which covers 10 pages of A4 paper, includes convictions for assault, theft, causing death by dangerous driving, forgery, drugs offences, possession of an offensive weapon, and sex attacks against underage schoolgirls. The Tory Party election campaign literature described Richdale as "a family man" who had a "compassionate personality"

CORRUPTION

. Tory Party councillor (Dudley), Abdul Quadus, who was also chairman of the Dudley Police Committee and a Tory Party spokesman on crime - Convicted and jailed for 6 months for passport fraud and assisting illegal immigration from his native country - Pakistan.

. Former Tory Party Cabinet Minister, Jonathan Aitkin - Convicted and jailed for Perjury and Conspiracy to Pervert the Course of Justice.

. Former Tory Leader of Westminster Council, Dame Shirley Porter - Fled to Israel to evade justice after indulging in fraud, corruption and gerrymandering on a massive scale, and stealing millions of pounds from local taxpayers.

. Tory Party Councillor ( Margate ), Colin Kiddel - Forced to resign after Police investigation into his alleged theft and embezzlement of funds from the local `Dreamland` Amusement Park.

. Former Tory Party Chairman and London Mayoral Candidate, Jeffrey Archer - Convicted and jailed for Perjury and Conspiracy to Pervert the Course of Justice.

Labour Party Criminals

SEX:

. Labour Councillor (Newton Aycliffe) Martin Locklyn - Convicted and jailed for 15 years for sexually abusing 3 14-year-old boys.

. Labour Councillor (North Lincolnshire) David Spooner - Convicted and jailed for 1 year for masturbating in front of 2 young boys.

. Labour Mayor (Westhoughton/Lancashire) Nicholas Green - Convicted and jailed for 10 years for 3 rapes and 13 counts of indecent assault against little girls between the age of 6 and 10. He raped one woman on her wedding day.

. Labour Mayor (Todmordon) John Winstanley - Convicted and jailed for rape and threats to kill. After raping and threatening to kill his terrified victim, Winstanley then ordered the woman to go on all fours before urinating on her.

. Prominent Labour Party activist Mark Tann (who has met Tony & Cherie at Party functions) recently got a 15-year sentence for raping a 4-year old girl on 2 separate occasions.

. Labour's current Parliamentary Candidate (Reading East) Tony Page - Has 2 Convictions for Acts of Gross Indecency` in public toilets.

. Labour Mayor (Burnley) Mark Swainston - Convicted of sex offences in public toilet.

. Entire Labour Party conspired to conceal the activities of Labour Party activist and serial child-molester Mark Trotter, who died from AIDS before he could be convicted.

. Labour Councillor (North Yorkshire) Raymond Coats - Court appearance for indecently assaulting a woman.

. Labour MP (Rhonda Valley) Chris Bryant poses in his pants on the Internet to advertise himself for casual gay sex encounters. Describes himself as "Horny as buggery" and says, "I'd love a good long fuck".

. Labour Councillor (Manchester), George Harding - Charged with indecent assault on a girl of 12.

. Labour MP Ron Davies was mugged by a Rasta on Clapham Common while cruising for gay sex. He was photographed again by the media recently, engaged in some `man-on-man` action in a field off a motorway. "I was only looking for badgers" he said.

. Labour Councillor (Durham), Derrick Payne - Arrested by Police following a sex attack.

. Labour MP, Joe Ashton - Caught up in a Police raid while frequenting a brothel. Tried to lie his way out of the scandal.

. Labour Councillor (Shropshire), Derek Woodvine - Arrested by Police in anti-porn operation.

. Labour Councillor (Basildon), Tony Wright - Forced to resign after being caught using his council computer to download porn.

. Labour MP (Sheffield), Clive Betts - Suspended from Parliament for 7 days after being caught forging immigration papers to extend the stay of his Brazilian rent-boy gay lover.

. According to media reports, the names of 2 former Labour Cabinet Ministers said to be `Household names` appear on the `Operation Ore ` list of subscribers to hard-core child pornography. The same FBI investigation, which led to the arrest of rock star Pete Townshend. So who are they Mr Blair?

VIOLENCE

. Labour Councillor (Kirkby, Merseyside) Charlie Preston - Convicted and jailed for 5 years in 1982 for assault and burglary. Preston broke into the home of a 64 year old man, and beat him up in his bed as he slept before robbing the house. The judge described the case as "As bad a matter of burglary as I can remember" Preston also holds the position on the Council of... `Deputy Cabinet Member for Youth, Citizenship, and Community Safety`.

. Labour Councillor ( Wales ) Denis Jones - Convicted and jailed for unlawful wounding after attacking a neighbour with a sledgehammer.

. Labour Councillor ( Wales ) Ken Brookman - Bit off a mans ear in a dispute over a seat on a train!

. Labour Councillor and former Mayor (Stockton), Keith Dobinson - Investigated by Police for alleged assault on an OAP, which left the old man of 79, hospitalised.

. Labour MP, Tommy Graham - Expelled from Party for his part in driving a person to suicide.

. Labour Councillors (Ilfracombe), Brian Cotton and Tony Cooper - Investigated by Police following serious allegations of Harassment.

CORRUPTION

. Labour Councillor (Sandwell) Mohamed Niwaz convicted of illegally obtaining 20,000 in Housing Grants.

. Labour Councillors in Doncaster - 23 Convicted and 2 jailed for massive fraud, corruption and theft of public funds. Investigation also uncovered massive Labour Party corruption in neighbouring Rotherham .

. Labour Party Councillor ( Blackburn ), Mohammed Hussein - arrested together with 6 Labour activists on suspicion of Election rigging.

. Labour MP Mohammed Sawar ( Britain 's first Asian MP - Glasgow) was the subject of a major News of the World investigation a few years ago into bribery and corruption. Despite this, the massive Asian population in his constituency keeps him safely in his seat.

. Labour MP (Leicester) and former Cabinet Minister, Keith Vaz - Investigated for fraud and corruption before quietly leaving his Europe Minister post with `health problems`. According to his former Secretary, Vaz does absolutely nothing in his constituency other than help local Pakistanis with their Immigration cases (which also helps to explain the `whites a minority` status of Leicester and the safe Labour seat of Mr Vaz)

. Labour Party Euro MP, David Martin is currently being investigated for an alleged expenses fraud involving `hundreds of thousands of pounds`.

. Labour Councillor (Glamorgan), Shawn Stringer - Forced to resign following Police investigation into financial corruption.

OTHER

. Tony Blair recently appointed his close friend/crony and colleague of his wife - Ken Macdonald as the new Director of Public Prosecutions, despite the fact he has a drugs conviction.

. William Straw - Son of Labour Foreign Secretary, and former Home Secretary - Jack Straw, was cautioned by Police for drug dealing, amid a frantic Government attempt to cover up the matter and gag the media as to his identity. Jack Straw also has a brother who was convicted of a sex attack on a schoolgirl. Lovely family!

. Homosexual mass murderer; Dennis Nielsen, who strangled and dismembered 16 young men in the 1980`s, was also a highly active member of Labour fringe groups such as the Anti-Nazi League, and the SWP. That's when he wasn't busy boiling peoples heads in a pot, or masturbating over the corpses of his victims.

Liberal Democrat Criminals

SEX

. Lib-Dem Council candidate (Tower Hamlets), Justin Sillman - Convicted and jailed for 2 years for sexual abuse of young boys.

. Lib-Dem Councillor and Mayoral Candidate ( Sheffield ), Francis Butler- Prosecuted for indecent assault of a young boy.

. Lib-Dem Councillor ( Stockport ) Neil Derbyshire - Sexually assaulted a 16-year old boy in a public toilet. He was caught with a plastic bag containing lubricant, plastic surgical gloves, a condom, and underpants.

. Lib-Dem Councillor ( Preston ), Bill Chadwick - Charged with: Making an indecent photograph of a child, Incitement to rape, Incitement to murder, Incitement to kidnap, and Incitement to torture. Chadwick's gay lover - Alan Valentine, is also a Lib-Dem councillor.

VIOLENCE

. Lib-Dem councillor (North Norfolk), Catherine Wilkins - Also a nurse until she was struck off the nursing register after being found guilty of mistreating patients and abusive behaviour.

. Lib-Dem Parliamentary candidate ( Burnley ), Paul Wright - Charged with drunken assault on his `lodger`. Wright sobbed like a baby during the court case, and the case is to be re-listed and heard again after the jury failed to reach a verdict.

. Lib-Dem Councillor ( Sheffield ) Trevor Morgan - Convicted and jailed for 9 months for unlawful wounding/dangerous driving. After attacking an elderly woman's Golden retriever dog by throwing pepper in its face, he then seriously injured the dog's owner - 57-year old Barbara Johnson, with his car as she tried to stop him escaping.

CORRUPTION

. Lib-Dem Councillor (Peterborough), Michael Jackson - Prosecuted for 21 counts of Theft and False Accounting.

. 3 Lib-Dem Councillors convicted and jailed for Election Fraud in Hackney in 2001

. 12 Lib-Dem officials convicted of Election Fraud in Oldham in 2001.

. Julie Roberts - Convicted of 9 counts of benefit fraud in 2003. 2 weeks after the court case, she was elected as a Lib-Dem councillor in Leicester !

. Lib-Dem councillor (Portsmouth), Ray Race - Convicted and jailed for 4 months for election rigging, along with Lib-Dem colleague Michael Hayward. Race was arrested again in July 2003 for threatening a witness who helped to convict him.

. Lib-Dem councillor (Lambeth), Gabriel Fernandez - Forced to resign after being investigated for benefit fraud.

written 29th Apr 2005

Raymond replies: BNP dear, well I am not sure , but it seems none of these criminals is an immigrant. so you can ship all of these to Australia or have they stopped receiving such consignments.

written 29th Apr 2005

Raymond replies: Stand corrected: some immigrant's names are in Labour list. send them to Bradford.

written 29th Apr 2005

BNP replies: I never said they were imigrants, I am pointing out that the main parties have more criminals than the BNP.

written 29th Apr 2005

Rhia replies: The BNP does offer some sense in it's policies, but it is undoubtedly a racist organisation at core, and furthermore over the course of time many of it's own leading members have made statements both comparative to and in agreement with policies of the Nazi party relating to ethnic backgrounds. One such member.

In fact, a previous leader of the BNP, John Tyndal, said (and I quote) "Mein Kampf is my bible.". This same person was: Imprisoned in October 1962 for training a Nazi paramilitary group!

Richard Edmonds, (a former? )BNP national activities organiser remarking on the BNP: We are 100 percent racist, yes. (20 February 1993, the Guardian)

Tony Lecomber, prominent in the BNP hierarchy, served three years in jail for a nail bomb plot. He got another three years in 1991 for stabbing a Jewish teacher and has 12 convictions in all.

To me it sounds like underneath the surface, this is quite a nasty organisation. I have no problem with nasty organisations, nor with people who support them knowing that they are nasty (though I do tend to take an instant dislike to such people and organisations). Though, in all fairness, lets call a spade a spade here.

written 29th Apr 2005

Al replies:
Excellent post from Rhia.

I've more respect for someone who come's out and says, "I'm racist", rather than holding racist views but claiming not to be a racist.

written 29th Apr 2005

Sebastian replies: "I've more respect for someone who come's out and says, "I'm racist", rather than holding racist views but claiming not to be a racist."

Of course, to someone like you, a racist is any white person who wants to preserve his country. You don't even realize that leftist sages like yourself have completely invalidated the word "racist" altogether. It's a joke when you use it, like a child trying to sling mud 'cause his brain has not yet developed sufficiently for him to use it instead of his hand.

Same old boring story from the herd.

written 29th Apr 2005

Al replies:
According to you I think " a racist is any white person who wants to preserve his country"

No sweet heart.

That would depend on your definition of preserving your country, and the way you'd go about it.

I'm against political correctness.

We can't say "there is a disproportionate number of crimes being commited by young black people in London" whether or not this is a fact.

And so we couldn't even begin to look at resolving that sort of problem because we're not even permitted to accept it's existence.

If this was a genuine problem and we were to accept it, it wouldn't mean that we should kick out all black people, it would mean that we should look at the reasons why these people are turning to crime.

I'm against the BNP because many of their supporters don't like black people or asians just because they are black or asian and don't want them in our country because of this.

I've said I wouldn't waste my time arguing with time waster BNP supporters. Wrong again.

written 29th Apr 2005

Sany replies: Nice blog!

written 17th Sep 2005

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