They're not voting because...
- It is against the teachings of Islam
It is against the teachings and traditions of Islam to be involved in Democracy. Only Allah the Compassionate, the Merciful can be our authority and guide.
In the Name of Allah, the Benificent, the Mercifulwritten 26th Apr 2005
Jon replies: Yeah, something like that
Allah is compassionate
Marburg syndrome is nasty
=Allah does not exist
Isn't the internet against the teachings of your cult?written 26th Apr 2005
Keith replies: Well said Jon!
If there was a god, wouldn't he guide such nutters well away from these shores - indeed, any shores...
We need an incitement to religious hatred law like we need compulsory Mosque-going.
The sooner religion is frowned upon by the majority as being superstitious mumbo-jumbo the better.
Disestablishment would be a godd first step.
Amen!written 26th Apr 2005
Suhaib Hasan replies: We explain the signs in detail for those who reflect (Quran; 10:24).written 26th Apr 2005
Iqubal replies: Your disrespect and ignorance say more than your words.
"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate."written 26th Apr 2005
rayyan replies: Original poster want us to believe he is moslem but it appears that he is the most ignorant person claiming to be moslem. Since when Islam is against democracy. If your brand of Islam is originating from incorrect interpretation of Islamic teaching, then you should consider that even in Saudi Arabia elections are now being held for local bodies. Atleast, thats a begining. When moslems had open minds, they were flourishing. Modern maths, algebra, astronomy, medicine and many other sciences have been given to the world by moslems. It is only the present days stupid followers who have brought a bad name to a religion which Allah Subhan (the All mighty God) bestowed upon the world as the religion closed to the nature of mankind and for all times. Only if we think and ponder, an instruction which came time and again in Koran.written 26th Apr 2005
Suhaib Hasan replies: I am the original poster.
It was suggested by a friend that I come to this site and give a reason why I was not voting.
You say I have an "incorrect interpretation of Islamic teaching" - by what authority do you claim this?
"If you doubt what We have revealed to Our servant, produce one chapter comparable to it. Call upon your idols to assist you, if what you say be true. But if you fail (as you are sure to fail) then guard yourselves against the Fire whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the unbelievers."written 26th Apr 2005
rayyan replies: Suhaib: Quoting out of context and of irrelevance to the topic does not make you any person with whom one could have any sensible discussion. Stay in your ignorance - what are we going to lose.written 26th Apr 2005
Suhaib Hasan replies: Are you the man to tell me what or what not is in context?
Again I ask by what authority do you claim I have incorrect interpretation of Islamic teaching?
This time answer the questionwritten 26th Apr 2005
mehkri replies: Suhaib Hasan: Perhaps Indonesia, malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Kuwait are all non-moslem countries by your standard. They all have elections now.
Rayyan: well said.written 26th Apr 2005
rayyan replies: suhaib: I think you just want to provoke into irrational discourse. So bye to you.written 26th Apr 2005
suhaib Hasan replies: rayyan - those with no answer or argument always blame the question.
mehkri - yeswritten 26th Apr 2005
mehkri replies: sohaib: your mind set is obvious so now there is not a single moslem country in the world. Do not understand why you chose Britain. Get on your bike, mate.written 26th Apr 2005
Tiger replies: Is this the case being presented for greater control on immagration?
It is convincing me to vote.written 26th Apr 2005
mehkri replies: Tiger: yeah me too and perhaps, I would also want a psychiatric tests.written 26th Apr 2005
Suhaib Hasan replies: Mehkri - I was born in this country. I have an excellent education. Why should I leave? Why would I even consider it appropriate to consider that I should leave?
Am I to be restricted in what I think and say?
Perhaps I should be held in an internment camp?
How dare you suggest that I leave this country.
Tiger - No it is the case being presented for freedom of speech. I am playing by your rules and yet I am being told that I am not allowed to.
Again I ask Rayyan (or anyone else) by what authority do you claim I have an incorrect interpretation of Islamic teaching?written 26th Apr 2005
Iqubal replies: mehkri - Shame on you and your ignorant words. You have no arguments so you jabber like a monkey making fun.written 26th Apr 2005
mehkri replies: Suhaib and Iqbal: carry on; nice show, it is wiser to say byes to you two uncivlized guys. Shows how 'excellent education' you had.
Tiger: what would you suggest for british born confuseds.written 26th Apr 2005
Suhaib Hasan replies: Mehkri - You are the one who is ignorant and confused.
You call me uncivillized yet you do not have the decency to answer my questions. I know it is because you are not able to. It is you that should step aside and keep your foolish words to yourself.
Goodbye.written 26th Apr 2005
mehkri replies: Sohaib: I leave it to the readers to judge that. Byewritten 26th Apr 2005
Suhaib Hasan replies: Judge what? You have answered not one single question I have asked.written 26th Apr 2005
charlotte replies: As a student of history I studied the origins of Islam, and the first Muslim community in Mecca. If you read Ibn Ishaq's life of the Prophet you'll see that Muhammad created a tolerant, fair community in which those of other faiths had a right to membership. Quoting obscure parts of the Quran just proves that you have no concept of the history of your faith. Democracy does not run against the precepts of Islam, and if you believe it does perhaps you should seek counsel with one better versed in the text.written 26th Apr 2005
Suhaib Hasan replies: And would that person "better versed in the text" be you?
Are you to be my authority on Islam? By what qualification do you claim this position?
"As a student of history" - what exactly does that consist of? I have a right to know as you are offering me advice.written 26th Apr 2005
Jon replies: Face it, you're an atheist too - you reject around 2000 of the assorted Gods mankind has thought up, so why stop at one flavour over another? Very inconsistent...written 26th Apr 2005
mehkri replies: Charlotte: I have my sympathies with you.written 26th Apr 2005
Suhaib Hasan replies: Jan - He that chooses a religion over Islam, it will not be accepted from him and in the world to come he will be one of the lost.
Mehkri - I await your answers to my questions.written 26th Apr 2005
mehkri replies: Suhaib: Neem mulla khatra-e-iman. Only if you would understand it.written 26th Apr 2005
Suhabib Hasan replies: Mehkri I understand it only too well.
I 've heard it as: Neem Hakeem khatra-e-jaan.
There can of course be many colloquial variants of the saying, so yours can also be just another variant.
And the point you are making is......?written 26th Apr 2005
I still await your direct answer to my questions.
John Knox replies: A quick google reveals "Hasan" to be nothing but a plagiarist, and a troll, and very probably a fully paid-up member of the BNP....
http://tinyurl.com/dkgehwritten 26th Apr 2005
mehkri replies: suhaib: since I am not orthodox, I have not come across any where in Quran or Hadith or writings of Iman Abu Hanifa (to the extent that I have read) that democracy is against Islam. In fact the first Hazrat Abu Bakar, upon his becoming first caliph, stood up and took consent of people. So did other caliphs. The concept of passsing rules with in the family came from Hazrat Abu Mawiya - the time when islamic democracy died. In Islam, their in no ban on ijtihad to find solutions to the problems of the time. That is why the learned Imams of the times kept on ijtihad. They did not shut their minds to the changing world. Quran is for all times - however, just presenting verses out of context is not going to help people understand Islam. What do you think the Sahaba-e-Karam did in Habsha. Ponder and you might come to find ways to living and presenting the true islamic way of life in non-moslem countries.written 26th Apr 2005
Pete the Punk replies: Excuse me if I'm being obtuse, but which election aren't we voting in tonight - the Iraqi?written 26th Apr 2005
george replies: John: I think hasan is a very common name amoung moslems. BNP might have one but there are millions more out there.written 26th Apr 2005
Suhabib Hasan replies: Mehkri - my point was quite simple. There is not one single " authority" or interpretation on the teachings of Islam. My viewpoint is as valid as yours.
Pete the Punk - is your comment "which election aren't we voting in tonight - the Iraqi?" in reference to the fact that some (most) of the contribtors have names that do not originate in Europe?
John Knox - using the internet does not make me a member of the BNP or a troll (?).written 26th Apr 2005
mehkri replies: Sohaib: in your opening salvo, and very rightly so, you had mentioned Allah as the sole authority and the guide. Why do you say now that there is not one singel authority on the teachings of Islam.
Secondly, there is nothing against democracy in Islam - in fact, democracy is lot closer to Islam than the concept of kingdom or fiefdoms or shaikhdoms.written 26th Apr 2005
Suhabib Hasan replies: I placed the word authority in quotation marks to indicate that I was doubt the concept of a man made authority that can question the true sole authority and guide. I should have been clearer.
There is no single "authority" on the blessed teachings.
The viewpoint I have on democracy is not at all unique.written 26th Apr 2005
mehkri replies: Sohaib: you may not have unique view point - but since it was you who have been asking for authority, you should quote from Quran or Hadith sahih about democracy being unislamic. I believe that even the first khilafats in Islam were based on democracy and that was more than 1400 years ago.written 26th Apr 2005
suhabib Hasan replies: Democracy may indeed be closer to Islam but this is like saying a man is closer to the stars because he stands on a mountain.
It may be true but misses the point.
I have accepted into my heart that only Allah the Compassionate, the Merciful can be our authority and guide.
As has been stated elsewhere - "Democracy is a Greek word meaning the rule of the people, which means that the people do what they see fit, this concept is considered apostasy and defies the belief in one God ."
I can't accept the authority of a democratic government that demonised Muslims as an enemy. A democratic government that may, can and is introducing laws that legitimise and protects concepts I reject in persuit of my faith.
Democracy in general is a gloss sheen placed on a greedy and brutal world that is consumed with prsonal gain and the desire for objects.
The last two elections in America have been criticised by indendent writers of honour as being abused and corrupted.
There is a growing corruption involved in the postal voting in the UK.
As Muslims we must ask ourselves where does our religion end and politics begin?written 27th Apr 2005
mehkri replies: Sohaib: obviously, you quoted nothing from Quran or Hadiths, so I rest my case.
As for frauds, the islamic teachings are quite clear with regards to the rights of mankind (Haqooq-ul-ibad).
But by claiming democracy is against the teaching of Islams is not doing justice to the cause of moslems. All the major moslems countries, Malaysia, Indonesia, Pakistan, Turkey, Iran and now Kuwait and Saudi Arabia hold elections - that makes the most of the moslems of the world.written 27th Apr 2005
John Knox replies: mehkri, you're wasting your time with this loser - I don't believe for a minute that he is even a Muslim - he's just an idiot pretending to be Muslim in order to deliberately provoke a negative response from non-Muslims.
Look back at his response to your comment neem mulla khatra-e-iman - he doesn't have a clue what this means, so he looked it up on the internet (only one site uses the phrase, unfortunately for him) and cut-and-paste it directly from there - see http://tinyurl.com/dkgeh. Go on, ask him exactly what neem mulla khatra-e-iman means - it should be a laugh.
Similarly, all his quotes from the Qur'an are cut-and-pasted from websites without much thought for their content - and notice how, after making his initial bold statement, he has quoted nothing appropriate from the Qur'an to back up his "arguments" - he's obviously struggling to find the right websites to copy from, the big fraud.written 27th Apr 2005
mehkri replies: John: Thanks for the support but I honestly think Sohaib is victim of his own propoganda. May be he will see the light of the day. Let us be optimistic.written 27th Apr 2005
Suhabib Hasan replies: You have an opinion - as do I.
Malaysia, Indonesia, Pakistan, Turkey, Iran and now Kuwait and Saudi Arabia are neither good examples of Islamic practice or Democracy.written 27th Apr 2005
mehkri replies: Good nightwritten 27th Apr 2005
Suhabib Hasan replies: John Knox - you stand judgemnet over me?
I know the saying well and would translate it as (not by any means an exact translation) - the use of imperfect knowledge makes you a foolish man.
I am sure there is a similar phrase in English - it is the sort of thing I am sure Scottish or Irish people would say.
I am not searching for any quotations. I am actually quite distracted by my work - where I am at the moment.
I have entered a secular website looking for reasons people will not vote in the coming election.
It has been pointed out to me by a couple of contributors that using quotations is not as fruitful as making direct clear statements - so I am doing that.
John - do not abuse me any more.written 27th Apr 2005
george replies: There he goes again... loser wouldn't even noticed he is mis-spelling his name for last hour or so.written 27th Apr 2005
Suhabib Hasan replies: George - That is by far the most ignorant and pathetic comment so far.written 27th Apr 2005
george replies: No; you wouldn't provoke me - you lost your main arguments already. Good Night.written 27th Apr 2005
Suhabib Hasan replies: I have no interest or intention in provoking you.
Reading through the last hour or so shows that I have been provoked frequently.
I am being attacked rather than what I am saying.
I have also never intended to win or loose an argument. Just explain my reasons for not voting.
I thought that was what the site is for.written 27th Apr 2005
Suhaib Hasan replies: George - does your computer have the auto-complete switched on? Mine does.written 27th Apr 2005
Thomas Cochrane replies: I have been following this thread and have come to the conclusion (perhaps wrongly) that Suhaib is someone who has returned to Islam. Perhaps having grown up in a comfortable western lifestyle.
Dad a doctor or in the financial sector? Islam not really an important part of family life.
He had all the luxuries anyone could ask for and in late teenage or early 20's was deeply involved in all the excesses the secular life has to offer. Flashy car, nightclubs, drugs, girls.
He has recently rediscovered his Islamic roots and is catching up.
He is perhaps (as was stated earlier) someone who has little knowledge or understanding of Islam - and the little knowledge he has he like to stretch to cover his conception of the world.
Am I anywhere near the truth Suhaib?written 27th Apr 2005
pedant replies: No, as John originally pointed out, this fellow is simply a troll (no need for a question mark, troll - you can look it up on google just like everything else you paste here).
And, as george already pointed out, the incompetent facade is further degraded by the fact that his chosen pseudonym mutated from "Suhaib Hasan" to "Suhabib Hasan", until george highlighted it - whereupon it mutated back. Blaming the autocomplete function for this transgression is patently absurd (after all, autcomplete autocompletes. It doesn't insert arbitrary letters at will).
No doubt this tirade of pointless drivel will end with an insult and the disappearance of said "poster", who will unfortunately probably re-emerge from the dusky shadows of boredom and mediocrity with a new nickname in a further effort to waste away some of the remaining hours of his futile existence.
It's not as if politics were not inane enough already.written 27th Apr 2005
The only sane person in the village replies: Bloody hell I still find it astounding in the 21st century that we still have millions of people brainwashed by religion - even more astounding that we let this play a part in the way nations are governed.
When will people realise the big con that religion really is?
At various times in the past religion was a necessary way for those in charge to maintain some semblance of order in society.
It kept people in line and ensured that society adhered to the same set of values - at a time when the majority of the populus were illiterate and not really capable of advanced thought as today - ie. looking at a larger picture.
As society has evolved we now have sets of laws and systems in place to ensure that the basic fabric of society is maintained, whilst at the same time allowing free thought.
So why is religion still present?
Stupidity / Indoctrination - probably
Or simply because humans cannot accept that at the end of the day we are no more than another species on this planet and we will die one day and that's that...
Religion should be a personal choice,written 27th Apr 2005
a privately held belief, not a mass indoctrination inflicted on others around them.
agreed replies: I agree wholeheartedly with the above post -
Anyone with a religious agenda should have nothing to do with politics.
And muslims in my opinion seem to biggest load of hypocrites out there.
Peace this that and the other, yet on the news it's always them that are shooting, firebombing each other....
If you were that true to the religion you would all be discussing problems peacfully with respect for your fellow man.written 27th Apr 2005
__ replies: "It is against the teachings of Islam"
If only that was the case I would be happy.
Normal people could vote and the Islam brigade could vote in their unique way >>>>> running through the streets firing AK-47's in the air.written 27th Apr 2005
Al replies: The only sane person in the village,
Wise indeed.written 27th Apr 2005
george replies: Pedant: After all you were right. Now we have the sane person, the agreed person and the '--' person.written 27th Apr 2005
Al replies: You'll note that I'm consistent in both my name and controversial opinion.
Featuring such controversial ideas as...
"Religion?? A farce, all of it!"written 27th Apr 2005
"No health care for the over 65's (free or otherwise)"
and conversely "vote Lib Dem"
only sane guy in the village replies: Hmm after my previous comment, i kind of expected a few tirades to be added.
Although I stand 100% by my original comment.written 27th Apr 2005
Religion is biggest con going,
it must make David Blaine jealous as he hasn't pulled off an illusion on that scale :)
Tiger43 replies: If anyone even hints on the word religion to me on this forum and all its quacks for followers, I shall self implode (which will only do me in) as opposed to explode, which our compassionate, merciful and all loving Islamic friends would do, taking out this whole forum, thus ending anymore debate.written 27th Apr 2005
Tom replies: This probably the funniest thread I've found on this site, so I've been induced into comment. I notice Suhaib/Suhabib/moron has disappeared. COME BACK MATE! I was enjoying the laugh...
There's quite a lot of atheistic argument at the end there which, as a scientist, I can't resist getting dragged into. I particularly want to comment about what "the only sane..." has to say about the origins of religion. Of course you are right mate, but why get bogged down with all that explanation. You can do away with the actual concept of religion in one fell swoop, as such:
Believing in something you have no evidence for is just a faith, and is therefore both irrational and illogical (it's not based on known fact). Here I would hope even the religious would agree. However, any beliefs based on illogical foundations have no place in a well constructed argument. Even if a god(s) does exist it simply isn't sensible to believe in him/them. You could choose to believe that a big lump of cheese created the universe, the Platonic doctrine of science forces us to consider EVERYTHING as possible, doesn't mean it's very likely, probable or that there's anyway to justify your belief in it.written 27th Apr 2005
sane guy replies: Hmmm big lump of cheese you say,
I could be persuaded to believe in that, although it could result in sectarian violence with a break away branch choosing to believe in Gouda
as opposed to the true faith that the Big cheese is all seeing and is representative of all cheeses....
And then what about the minority cheese worshippers - the Baby bel for example would be shunned by others...
AaRGHHHH even cheese isn't safe as a religion...
Nope religion is just wrong.written 27th Apr 2005
sane guy replies: Actually come to think of it - religion could be compared to me winning the lottery.
I cannot say 100% that I will or won't win it.
The chances of doing so are very unlikely, but I could live my life in the belief that I will.
And thus rack up £1,000's of debt as it will be ok as I will win the lottery and be redeemed.
Much in the same way the religious live in the belief that such a thing as god does exist - living in false hope with the odds stacked against them.
Better to see things logically....
stupid lottery, stupid religion
Although political debate is turning out to be far more fun that I could have ever imagined :)written 27th Apr 2005
Al replies: I'm strickly a traditionalist Chedar man myself although I tolarate and try to build bridges with those of the Blue cheese community, we all know that only one way can be the right way.written 27th Apr 2005
sane guy replies: Ah but are you a traditional Vintage mature cheddar or born again mild cheddar follower?written 27th Apr 2005
Al replies: It's a good job us sane people are here to balance the debate....
anyway, definately Mature Cheddar.written 27th Apr 2005
Tom replies: No, it's gotta be mormon (dairy faction), you can have as many cheeses as you like then..written 27th Apr 2005
Tom Cochrane replies: NOW REMEMBER.written 27th Apr 2005
Under no circumstances are you to point out that one of the cheeses is full of holes.
We must respect its right not to see the holes.
Harry replies: We can see that in "Wallace and Grommit" there is a re-occuring reference to the "Cracking Cheese".
This should be interpreted as a sign that the way to find god is to eat cheese.
One day we all end up on the cheese board.written 27th Apr 2005
Tom W replies: Ahh, the nihilist philosophy of cheese, the cheese is not really there. Powerfull stuff dude.written 27th Apr 2005
Tom Cochrane replies: What about the biscuits?written 27th Apr 2005
Al replies: Blessed is the Jacobs Creame Cracker.written 27th Apr 2005
Al replies: But remember the 10th commandment of the mature cheddar testament...written 27th Apr 2005
thou shalt not covert thou neighbours low fat spread.
Tom Cochrane replies: As the prohet Cleese said:
"Blesed are the cheese makers"
Although as later scholers pointed out he may have been refering to the dairy industry in general.
All these testemonies should be codified into the "Book of Cheese" - not sure what it would be called though....written 27th Apr 2005
Tom W replies: The Babybel would do well I think, or the Quorn as a cheese substitue?written 27th Apr 2005
Tom Cochrane replies: In the begining was the milk.....
or should that be cow?
or Field of grass?
Sorry Tom W - Quorn would be unacceptable to me. It is clearly a "Later day" cheese -
We must now split into two factions forever...written 27th Apr 2005
Tom W replies: Infadel! jihad on you..written 27th Apr 2005
Tom Cochrane replies: It fall apon the milder cheeses to warn everyone against the dangers of Quornist fundamntalism/written 27th Apr 2005
Tiger43 replies: My favourite cheese is Orkney Isles mature cheddar, yum yum. As I have decided not to self implode I am able to type this. If there is a god, said cheddar would be my main man or god. I think our Islamic friends could learn allot from worshiping cheese, at least it exists.written 27th Apr 2005
Arthur replies: Speaking as a Seventh Day Lactarian I find the use of shrink packing in supermarkets against my cheeseological teachings.
Cheese should only be celebrated in the propoer place - the holy cheese shop.
I blame the cheese marketing board.written 27th Apr 2005
Tom W replies: LOL tiger! There's a lot to be said for what you can taste.
Tom C, I'll have you know that the teachings of The Quorn, as dictaed by Schreiber law, is the only true reality.written 27th Apr 2005
Tom W replies: Arthur, don't you worship The Cheese at home? I kneel before my fridge everyday.written 27th Apr 2005
Harry replies: I am the Whey, the truth and the Light.
Beyhold my wonder.
The many names of cheese.
Abbaye de Bellocwritten 27th Apr 2005
Abbaye du Mont des Cats
Affidelice au Chablis
Ami du Chambertin
Anneau du Vic-Bilh
Aromes au Gene de Marc
Barry's Bay Cheddar
Bleu de Gex
Bleu de Laqueuille
Bleu de Septmoncel
Bleu Des Causses
Blue Vein (Australian)
Blue Vein Cheeses
Boule Du Roves
Brebis du Lavort
Brebis du Lochois
Brebis du Puyfaucon
Brie de Meaux
Brie de Melun
Brin d' Amour
Brinza (Burduf Brinza)
Briquette de Brebis
Briquette du Forez
Brousse du Rove
Brusselae Kaas (Fromage de Bruxelles)
Camembert de Normandie
Caprice des Dieux
Carre de l'Est
Casciotta di Urbino
Chabichou du Poitou
Chabis de Gatine
Chevrotin des Aravis
Coeur de Camembert au Calvados
Coeur de Chevre
Cottage Cheese (Australian)
Crayeux de Roncq
Crottin de Chavignol
Crottin du Chavignol
Cypress Grove Chevre
Danablu (Danish Blue)
Delice des Fiouves
Denhany Dorset Drum
Dorset Blue Vinney
Dreux a la Feuille
Dutch Mimolette (Commissiekaas)
Emental Grand Cru
Epoisses de Bourgogne
Evansdale Farmhouse Brie
Evora De L'Alentejo
Fleur du Maquis
Flor de Guia
Folded cheese with mint
Fondant de Brebis
Fontina Val d'Aosta
Four Herb Gouda
Fourme d' Ambert
Fourme de Haute Loire
Fourme de Montbrison
Fromage a Raclette
Fromage de Montagne de Savoie
Fruit Cream Cheese
Galette du Paludier
Galloway Goat's Milk Gems
Gaperon a l'Ail
Grafton Village Cheddar
Grataron d' Areches
Gris de Lille
Hubbardston Blue Cow
Il Boschetto al Tartufo
Isle of Mull
King Island Cape Wickham Brie
King River Gold
L'Ecir de l'Aubrac
La Vache Qui Rit
Le Fium Orbo
Lingot Saint Bousquet d'Orb
Loch Arthur Farmhouse
Mahoe Aged Gouda
Meyer Vintage Gouda
Mini Baby Bells
Mont D'or Lyonnais
Monterey Jack Dry
Morbier Cru de Montagne
Mothais a la Feuille
Mozzarella di Bufala
Mozzarella Fresh, in water
Olivet au Foin
Orkney Extra Mature Cheddar
Palet de Babligny
Pant ys Gawn
Pas de l'Escalette
Pate de Fromage
Pave de Chirac
Pave du Berry
Pecorino in Walnut Leaves
Pelardon des Cevennes
Pelardon des Corbieres
Perail de Brebis
Picodon de Chevre
Picos de Europa
Pithtviers au Foin
Plateau de Herve
Queso Blanco con Frutas --Pina y Mango
Queso de Murcia
Queso del Montsec
Queso del Tietar
Queso Fresco (Adobera)
Queso Media Luna
Queso Para Frier
Regal de la Dombes
Romans Part Dieu
Rouleau De Beaulieu
Selles sur Cher
Seriously Strong Cheddar
Serra da Estrela
Sottocenare al Tartufo
St. Agur Blue Cheese
Sweet Style Swiss
Syrian (Armenian String)
Tasmania Highland Chevre Log
Tete de Moine
Texas Goat Cheese
Tomme de Chevre
Tomme de Romans
Tomme de Savoie
Tomme des Chouans
Torta del Casar
Touree de L'Aubier
Trois Cornes De Vendee
Trou du Cru
Waimata Farmhouse Blue
Washed Rind Cheese (Australian)
Yarra Valley Pyramid
Zanetti Grana Padano
Zanetti Parmigiano Reggiano
Tom Cochrane replies: Tom W - I don't see any mention of Quorn in the many names of cheese.written 27th Apr 2005
It is a false cheese.
Al replies: Behold the prophet Harry.
I have seen the light.written 27th Apr 2005
Harry replies: Come brothers we must go now to the mountains and milk the goats...written 27th Apr 2005
Tom W replies: Ahh young one, you have misundersood. The Quorn is not a prophet but the teaching of the prophet mozzerella (thanks Harry). He teaches us of the stringy nature of things. String theory describes the whole universe.written 27th Apr 2005
sane guy replies: I have a feeling that the monster raving loony party could field a single issue candidate for the cheese worshippers out there.
Although I will declare a Jihad against the false prophets of Goats cheese - they worship a false god, curdled whey demon from the depths of a firey nanny goats colon.
- Goats cheese, leaves a very unpleasant taste in the mouth.
- Cheap supermarket value cheese,
Easily understood and recognised by all, but contain many hidden nasty ingredients- ultimately bad for you health in the long term
Lib Demwritten 27th Apr 2005
- Cheese slices
Don't taste of much and not really cheese, more "cheese lite"
Tom Cochrane replies: The absurdity of Quornist fundamentalism.
The mysterious nature of the cheeseological canon can't be placed under the scientific eye of man.
The Prophet Harry shall show us the way... I'm off to the mountains as his follower to milk the goats.written 27th Apr 2005
Tom Cochrane replies: sane guy - Where is the cheseological candidate standing?
You have caused a second split. We now have three factions.
Anti - Caprinists
The established Cheeseological movement
Shame on youwritten 27th Apr 2005
sane guy replies: Sorry you misinterpreted my acient religious manuscript....
It was more a statement of hope rather than fact...
See cheese worship is not that far removed from other religions.
In fact had I not corrected this misunderstanding the entire cheese worshipping community would have been thrown into disarray with 3 separate factions and Fatwas flying round all over the place.
And we all know what a mess a fatwa can make, took me 3 days and 6 litres of Jif lemon to clean up the last one.written 27th Apr 2005
Harry replies: I declare myself the Cheeseatola.
(with a cheese wedge shaped hat)
The established Cheeseological movement holds that the universe was created in the colon of a goat.
The Anti-Caprinists are an abomination and are to be shunned by the milder cheeses.written 27th Apr 2005
sane guy replies: My missus is a devout Caprinist, although we can live in harmony as I shun the Caprinist ideology.
The beginning was a dense babybel,
at some point the wax coating melted and the great expansion began.
What we have now is a universe consisting mainly of a large un-ending emmental with holes of dark matter where it is rumoured the babybel once existed.
Oh shit, the doorbell just rang.written 27th Apr 2005
Thought it might have my local MP,
but it was only the Bloody Fondue Witnesses again.
Tom Cochrane replies: Sane Guy - I see so there is no cheeseological candidate - perhaps one day soon.
Sorry I can't listen to anything else you are saying I can only follow my Cheeseatola Harry.written 27th Apr 2005
He is my authority on the interpretation of the many cheeseological issues.
sane guy replies: Some cheese information:
The currency of Brazil is the Kraft Cheese Slice.written 27th Apr 2005
sane guy replies: Oh and that above fact is true.
A scottish person told me so it must be true.
They are genetically incapable of lying when it comes to dairy products.written 27th Apr 2005
disagreed replies: Although I accept the validity* of the opinion of "the only sane guy in the village", and appreciate his (or her) contribution, I would like to severely criticize the views expressed by 'agreed', '__' and Al, which show gross misunderstanding and bigotry.
People with religious views *must* be allowed to express their opinions, otherwise you are removing their democratic rights. Racists and British colonialists would have been delighted if Martin Luther King Jr or Gandi had been refused political rights because their involvement was politically motivated.
"muslims in my opinion seem to biggest load of hypocrites out there" - but then so are you, if you think that destroying religion will solve all the world's problems. Think of Russia and China, where removing all religion from government has done nothing to make government less willing to oppress people.
Please don't succumb to tarnishing all Muslims with the same brush. Very few western Muslims promote violence to advance their religion. Several Muslim-majority countries are on their way to democracy - Turkey and Iraq for example, and most violent groups can be better understood as social and national conflicts, rather than directly motivated by religion. If Palestine had a democracy, instead of despots indoctrinating people with anti-Israel and anti-semitic propaganda, there wouldn't be suicide bombers. Further, who made those AK-47s in the first place? Tell me that, '__'.
______________________________________written 27th Apr 2005
* (i.e. it's his democratic right, and it's a well-reasoned opinion held by many 'reasonable' people that religion must be kept to oneself, though I do personally disagree with it)
rob a.k.a disagreed replies: Sorry, I meant Gandi and MLKJ were *religiously* motivated.written 27th Apr 2005
george replies: thank goodness: I was begining to think cheese is so intoxicating. rob aka disagreed, good job.written 27th Apr 2005
Al replies: To be fair I didn't actually say people shouldn't be allowec to follow a particular religion, I was just expressing the farcicle nature of those opinions..written 27th Apr 2005
Tom W replies: Rob, yeah I think it wasn't meant too seriously. I agree with all your points about freedom of beliefs, but politics should be separated from religion. Look at the states, where they now have ministers informing their congregation who god wants them to vote for. The product is the neo-cons and their programme of fear breeding.
Also, your points about palestine seem a little biased to me. Are you Jewish by any chance? The suicide bombers are there because thier country is being occupied by an aggressor. Some would call it freedom fighting. By the way, my family is Jewish so I don't want hear any anti-semitic allegations. There simply is no excuse for the attitude of Israel, or the aid and tolerance they recieve from western powers.written 27th Apr 2005
Tom W replies: Oh, and by the way, the idea that the palestine situation is not motivated by religion is ridiculous. It a fight for the holy land. That's what has been contested for the last 1000 years.written 27th Apr 2005
sane guy replies: Hmmm I think the point being made really is that religion and politics don't mix.
Also that many people interpret religious doctrines in a way that will suit their own ends.
Whether that be crazy jihads,
or stupid christian crusades.
It's all the same thing.
The main thing I disagree with is the way in which young people are indoctrinated into a religion before they have had chance to make a reasoned decision.
This happens with all the major religions.
In my view it is tantamount to brainwashing.
- The Sane non believerwritten 27th Apr 2005
WM replies: It is against Islam to not vote..
Then don't vote....
It is not against British law or the Christian faith..written 28th Apr 2005
I shall be voting.
Keith replies: Frankly, followers of organized religion should not be allowed to vote on the grounds of insanity.
Having said, that Emmentalists might just squeeze under the wire.written 28th Apr 2005
Al replies:written 28th Apr 2005
WM, He has given the reason for not voting as being because it's against Islam. He's already said he's not going to vote.
Chris replies: How come when peolpe make an example of something absurd to believe in, it's always cheese? maybe because it's not so absurd. maybe it's because we are all subconciously aware of the Greater Cheese Being, which, in my opinion, has to be Cheddar, but I won't judge others if they believe differently. Except for Quorn.written 29th Apr 2005
Al replies:written 29th Apr 2005
I think it's time for the cheese to be put to bed... not literally of course, you can take worship too far.
Pete replies: In the Name of Allah, the Benificent, the Merciful...
We shall wake up to the new dawn with a minority government and the Liberal Democrats holding the balance of power.
Insha Allah (God Willing).written 29th Apr 2005
BNP replies: This post is proof if proof were needed that ISLAM is anti-democratic and is alien to Britain. O and if you dont mind, please stop taking over our country, thanks.written 29th Apr 2005
Peter replies: The worlds worse problems are caused by religion.written 30th Apr 2005
Anonymous replies: Allah is the one who created the seven Firmaments and of the earth a similar number.
Through the midst of them descends his Command, that ye may know that Allah has power over all things, and that Allah comprehends, all things in knowledge and wisdom
(Q65:12)written 30th Apr 2005
crimson replies: the only thing this post proves is that the original poster thoroughly contradicted both his/herself, and his/her own beliefs.
Islam is not anti-democratic.
Besides, I'm not voting, I'm pro democratic, and that IS the reason I'm not voting. And yes, I am british!written 30th Apr 2005
Anonymous replies: The Quran claims that speeches were made by Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Noah, Moses, Mary and even Jesus that contain words such as: "Muslim" and "Islam" that were in a totally unknown tongue and not invented for at least another 600 years (Suras 2:60, 126-128, 132-133, 260; 3:49-52, 67; 6:74-82; 7:59-63, 120-126 etc.).written 30th Apr 2005
tiger43 replies: To Anonymous.......Give it a rest. If you don`t stop the Allah has created everything and we should all be grateful to him crap, I think I`ll die of boredom.
I was just getting into the cheese subject, till you came allong filling ou heads full off anti cheese statements. You should be ashamed of yourself Allah worhiping dude. Get a hobby or something and stop trying to corrupt my mind with all your unbeleivable mystical jive, now shove off !!!written 30th Apr 2005
Anonymous replies: And the unbelievers saw and they were filled with hatred, for Koth had created a monument and it was glory.written 30th Apr 2005
Sane guy replies: Yeah and Koth and take a large gouda and shove up his burkha.
And yay and behold the might of the emmental, shining forth bright cheese rays of power.written 4th May 2005